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« on: July 09, 2007, 09:41:09 AM »

What Armorcast and Players Need.

*This near rant is outright but it has points. Any look alike names are purely an accident.

Other gaming companies deliver their product. This usually consists of some plastic toy soldgers and a tank or two. These figures come with some interesting background material. But the battlefields are largely left up to the individual players, and it has been that way for a long time. What an Imperial city looked like from one game club to the next was largely up to the players.

Recently a gaming company released plastic terrain to go with their primary fantasy and sci-fi ranges. If you ask me this was a wise move, it ensures a degree of consistency with their product and how the game is played.

Armorcast has the power to set that standard. Many game companies still only sell the miniatures. I would like to propose that players need the following.

If we go to a miniatures company to buy the armies, we are not going to go to you for the terrain. We come to Armorcast for a Battlefield. To build an altar to sacrifice our armies upon!

Miniature companies spend a great time telling us how to get the most out of their products, you should do the same.

Players Need…

1.   To see your terrain in action. (Make 2 galleries. One of official Armorcast boards that show how you use your product. Another of homemade boards focused on your product. Show us what an “Armorcast” board can look like.)
2.   How to use your product. (Show us how to get the most out of washes and different ways to paint your product.)
3.   Bring us to the battle! (Use shop boards to illustrate how a board can be as cool or cooler than an army! Give us things to fight through, over and on. Real objectives like fleeing civilians and nice looking bunkers.)
4.   Offer Deals. (Group the Cathedral and other terrain bits into mega deals. These Terrain Sets could have a common theme. Much like the concept of an army deal. 1Armydeal = 1,000pt Army. 1Terrainset = 6'x4' Board w/ City)

Another problem that I have is that current ranges across the board (pun intended) are focused on sci-fi gothic. There is more out there. Some of the nicest painted miniatures are homeless. IE- nothing fits its background. These games are being played on Gothic Ruins because they don’t have a choice.

Look to the miniatures for inspiration. (yea, its bias to scifi.)
* Hab Blocks for the Gangs of MeltaCity 3.
* Tou Settlements.
* A Steambot factory for a Blue Victorian County.
* A cool bulky sci-fi fighter plane to strife battlefields.
* Drop-pods. (DW has not copyrighted the word.)
* A Steam punk upgrade kit for midevil housing.
* Something loosely based on a Dune book.
* Cheap easy to cast Sci-fi APC’s and light tanks.
* Some Gothic Horror or a Victorian Airship.
* Clicks games have no home….

Also, please buy some old 2000BC magazine and look at the crazy shit that ol’ Fr1day used to be put through.

It seems like a lot of companies are making hills and craters. This is too bad because I would rather see a product that I would be proud to display or something really unique that breaks past it all. Terrain peices should be as cool as peices in an army.

Wally.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2007, 09:29:59 PM »

Welcome to the forum Wally,
Nice rant. I couldn't agree more. It really comes down to time. We're working on the sweet tables and a few of the other ideas. I'm already working on putting together an Oil Refinery Mega Box deal that includes Oil wells, storage tanks, Modular refineries, and Overhead Pipelines.
Once we can get past the con season we'll be able to focus more on these projects.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2007, 05:44:58 AM »

You are putting together a...WHAT?!?!?! A mega deal?!?!?! I need a drink!!! Just promise me that on my next order I will be able to get that Stucco mega deal!!

And by the way, it was a very well done rant! Not to inflammable and yet I caught a certain type anger! Points were made and he was able to do it with only cursing once, I like!
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2007, 06:17:29 AM »

I’m sorry, the anger comes from `being stuck with substandard terrain for some time. Although my scratch built terrain is usable nothing beats some of the stuff Armorcast had. (Old DW tanks and titans sell for hundreds, full cathedral sets are imposable to find. Vintage Armorcast was imposable to find for a while.)

   Resin Armorcast stuff is just neigh indestructible (for casual play) and has its own stile.

DW ruins have their place, scratchbuilt terrain is great and the IMEX Platforms are sweet but…. Sometimes investing some personal time to get a nice set of centerpieces is just what is needed! I spend enough time painting the armies that they deserve something amazing to fight over. Terrain building is a whole cornerstone of the hobby and deserves some attention.

   I think some crazy examples of painted box sets would have you working the moulds overtime. I know that if the “right one” came out I would buy it in a heartbeat.

   Also (new idea), you should offer terrain sets to Brick & Mortar hobbyshops at a discount. Make a deal where its for desplay only. Most of these places have awful terrain, think of the exposure! You could run an article series called “Pimp my board!”.

Be cool.  Cool

(Not to undermine but articles like this PDF have improved my terrain building.   http://www.amera.co.uk/forms/VAC_FORMweb.pdf )
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2007, 07:16:58 PM »

I know that up here in Armorcast territory, we have a store that has the product on display that we might (maybe) be able to use as terrain, and it does make the board pop having a properly terrained board in which the terrain is very carefully designed, built, and modelled (the guy that owns the store made all kinds of terrain this past winter because he has a lot of time on his hands)...

as Matt said, and I agree, the main factor is time...I saw what both him and Gin looked like over the last few weeks gearing up for Origins, and the fact that they had to make an extra trip once they were there to make more stuff (sounds like a lot of people were a wee bit excited about Armorcast being back in production)...they didn't look good (delirious might be a better description)...

to make the aforementioned Mega-sets would require the guys to devote the casters to making just those items so that they have the number of items necessary for each set...probably in the fall would be the earliest I would guess that they would be ready for release, since I'm sure that they want to do this up to the nines...

but back to the original rant that started this thread, I agree, but with the company being back in business for so short of a time, I would recommend a little patience while they get fully on their feet...

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2007, 11:30:22 PM »

B is pretty much right on the money. The delirium, the time frame, all of it. I think we're doing alright for only being 9 weeks into this.
Especially considering Gin and I both work full time jobs. Once we hit our stride things should settle down and we can focus on some of these plans and ideas.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2007, 06:26:43 AM »

On the time factor, if it would help, I'd be willing to take photos of some of my groups games.  After my recent orders, they will include a lot of Armorcast terrain.
This would give some examples of how some of the product would look on a 'casual gamers' table.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2007, 06:47:24 AM »

This is a good idea. I think that gamers like myself shoould send in as many pics of our painted scenery as possible.  I have a bunch of refinery pieces i used for an Aliens table, but no way to post the pics.  I will email them to Matt or Gin to put on the site. The problem is that I am kind of a chimp when it comes to web stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2007, 07:35:00 AM »

Sure you do Thesis,
There's a Photos folder under "Show Off Your Terrain". Just start a new topic ( lower right, I believe) and under Additional Options  you'll see a box labeled attachments ( lower left)  just browse your pic files and attach them to your post.
We would love to see what you guys are doing in your games. It gives everyone great ideas on how to paint and use their stuff.
That's why we made that section, to give you guys a place to show off your stuff.
So by all means, please do.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2008, 09:07:51 PM »

I like the thread because i understand it
1st a player builds his or "her" army, then he or "she" wants a back drop
this is where I am in my gaming
I have a person who i give my orders through and he paints them for me because i don't have the time
JOB , female, kids, and gaming  OH MY ( i don't sleep or so it seems)
Rob (black crusader@ ) does a good job with the painting.  Paying x2 shipping stinks but such is life
I personally would like to see more "kits"
#540 and #560 are a good start (ordered and painted by "Rob")
I personally would like to see some of the "old" titan weapons  show up
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